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NEWS: Pokémon Anime's 25th Anniversary Promo Video Recaps Ash's Journey




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Rob19ny



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:09 am Reply with quote
Happy 25th to the Pocket Monsters anime. The phenomenon that first started with Red and Green then continued the next year with the start of Satoshi's adventure with Pikachu, Kasumi, and Takeshi in the original PM anime to the greatness of XY (until they ruined it by making Satoshi.... then made the decision to do it in the next series) with Satoshi Gekkouga and having the Mega Evolution specials with Alan and Lizardon that had the best battles.
Here's to 25 more years.

Pokemon! Getto da ze!
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Artemis X



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As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen. The world has to see pokemon the way japan introduced it before it went through so much syndication and censorship.

Or at least Discotec may recover the original lisence, one can dream. Razz
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:53 pm Reply with quote
Artemis X wrote:
As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen.
The English dub of Pokemon is on DVD though. Viz has been releasing all the seasons in boxsets. I think they're on Black and White now.
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MFrontier



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:04 pm Reply with quote
Happy 25th Anniversary!

Have to admit, seeing all the seasons and Ash/Satoshi's Pokemon together really hit me in the feels.
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Thatguy3331



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The anime feels like it's at it's most unpredictable right now. When they announced Pokemon 2020 as being what it is, I assumed Ash and Goh would me our main characters for multiple generations but now that a new generation is on the horizon and The show seems to be treating everything as though it's in its final stages, I don't know...

Like at this rate Ash is gonna wind up being the best battle trainer in the world via ranking and like... where do we even take him from there? Lots of people have assumed this would be his last season as the main character and as much as usual framing would make me believe that I'm skeptical because he still has Pikachu, the franchise mascot, and how asinine would it be to just have a new character only to cram a pikachu in the cast somewhere? Much as a 25 year run with the kid and his mons would be a good place to cap things off with him but the anime has always had this weird way of just doing what it wants and chugging along just fine regardless so uh *shrug*

Goh seemed so flexible to me as a character that I could have easily seen him being around for a while or even serving as Ash's replacement as the main character, where Goh would then find some other kid who'd get into battling and the baton would be handed off to them, etc. That doesn't seem to be the case but again, I have no clue. While Chole/Koharu was never promised to us that'd she be like the 3rd lead or anything it does feel pretty criminal that we don't get to have her around as often, as I really like Her and Goh as characters for Ash to travel and bounce off of, kids with a bit more cynicism in em than the usual perfect goodie two shoes (I say this while loving the cast from sun and moon lol)

Over these 25 years of the anime's run I've gone from being a childhood fan, to forgetting about it, to re-involving myself with it, to joining in on the internet hate bandwagon under the guise of "being critical", to getting tired of the pointless easy target picking, to now just appreciating and enjoying it for what it is. I feel like I've gone the whole gambit of ways you can feel anything towards this show and all I really have to say now is that I'll always be curious to see what they decide to do next, because right when I thought they found their winning formula with XY and that they would just do repeat variations of that ad nauseum, they really switched things up and made one of (if not the depending on my mood) my favorite installments of the show and have really been playing around a bit with what they can do with the show, while keeping it simple and episodic. For some reason I can't help but look back and see all of the little ways the show has changed itself from then to now and find it all really interesting.
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TsukasaElkKite



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:23 am Reply with quote
Artemis X wrote:
As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen. The world has to see pokemon the way japan introduced it before it went through so much syndication and censorship.

Or at least Discotec may recover the original lisence, one can dream. Razz


Because the show was physically edited in English i.e scenes were cut and/or censored.
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danpmss



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:34 pm Reply with quote
Artemis X wrote:
As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen. The world has to see pokemon the way japan introduced it before it went through so much syndication and censorship.

Or at least Discotec may recover the original lisence, one can dream. Razz


Not happening, even the Pokemon Company still follow most of 4Kids' localization standards to this very day, likely because it worked wonder to them to this day.

The more melancholic, mature (as in less for little kids, and more for all ages) and atmospheric side of the Japanese version has had for most of its run, can barely be seen with glimpses during the English localization, and nearly all countries in the West got their localizations out of 4Kids' too.

Instead we get a version that to this day cannot bear to have barely a second of silence during any scene, for the kids not to have their short attention span drawn away from the show (thus why to this day, whenever a scene would have no music playing in the background, the localization would insert some stupid zanny background noise/music).

Not to mention the Japanese version at times had some riské jokes that weren't quite as child friendly, something the IP tries to protect with all it can worldwide, to the point of infantilizing the editing (for the anime only, the games still have quite a few sexual innuendos and alike). Oh, right, there was a site way back in the day that used to compare both versions and translate trivia, if I remember which I can link it.


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Allison Addams



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:47 pm Reply with quote
danpmss wrote:
Artemis X wrote:
As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen. The world has to see pokemon the way japan introduced it before it went through so much syndication and censorship.

Or at least Discotec may recover the original lisence, one can dream. Razz


Not happening, even the Pokemon Company still follow most of 4Kids' localization standards to this very day, likely because it worked wonder to them to this day.

The more melancholic, mature (as in less for little kids, and more for all ages) and atmospheric side of the Japanese version has had for most of its run, can barely be seen with glimpses during the English localization, and nearly all countries in the West got their localizations out of 4Kids' too.

Instead we get a version that to this day cannot bear to have barely a second of silence during any scene, for the kids not to have their short attention spam drawn away from the show (thus why to this day, whenever a scene would have no music playing in the background, the localization would insert some stupid zanny background noise/music).

Not to mention the Japanese version at times had some riské jokes that weren't quite as child friendly, something the IP tries to protect with all it can worldwide, to the point of infantilizing the editing (for the anime only, the games still have quite a few sexual innuendos and alike). Oh, right, there was a site way back in the day that used to compare both versions and translate trivia, if I remember which I can link it.


You're hella exaggerating just how "mature" the Japanese version of Pokemon is. Pokemon is still primarily a children's show, and a franchise aimed at kids. The version we watched growing up is not far displaced from what Pokemon is even in its origin country.
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Vladimir Morales



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:16 am Reply with quote
Congratulations to the worldwide phenomenon that still lives on to this day and age.
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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:34 pm Reply with quote
I remember when I watched Pokémon's first episode around 1999, I continued watching it until the end of the Advanced Generation series. Sometimes it's difficult to believe how long it has been since it first aired, as long as Gamefreak continues making new games I don't think the anime is going to end. I have to congratulate Rica Matsumoto and Ikue Ohtani for for all the years they have worked on the series as Satoshi and Pikachu.
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danpmss



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:37 am Reply with quote
Allison Addams wrote:
danpmss wrote:
Artemis X wrote:
As popular as Pokemon is, I am absolutly mind boggled why we have never gotten a proper Lisenced Home video release for both the Japanese and English this day and age. This NEEDS to happen. The world has to see pokemon the way japan introduced it before it went through so much syndication and censorship.

Or at least Discotec may recover the original lisence, one can dream. Razz


Not happening, even the Pokemon Company still follow most of 4Kids' localization standards to this very day, likely because it worked wonder to them to this day.

The more melancholic, mature (as in less for little kids, and more for all ages) and atmospheric side of the Japanese version has had for most of its run, can barely be seen with glimpses during the English localization, and nearly all countries in the West got their localizations out of 4Kids' too.

Instead we get a version that to this day cannot bear to have barely a second of silence during any scene, for the kids not to have their short attention span drawn away from the show (thus why to this day, whenever a scene would have no music playing in the background, the localization would insert some stupid zanny background noise/music).

Not to mention the Japanese version at times had some riské jokes that weren't quite as child friendly, something the IP tries to protect with all it can worldwide, to the point of infantilizing the editing (for the anime only, the games still have quite a few sexual innuendos and alike). Oh, right, there was a site way back in the day that used to compare both versions and translate trivia, if I remember which I can link it.


You're hella exaggerating just how "mature" the Japanese version of Pokemon is. Pokemon is still primarily a children's show, and a franchise aimed at kids. The version we watched growing up is not far displaced from what Pokemon is even in its origin country.


I even put it in quotation marks, I'm not exaggerating at all lol
I even made sure to say "it being not just for kids, but something for kids AND a general audience". Not sure where you are seeing this huge exaggeration of mine.

The content on itself is remotely the same in terms of an overview, the execution is what drags it down in several regards, many times got the use of a different OST with silly noises within (in several seasons, even to this day, they straight substituted most of the original tracks) and other infantilized aspects, as well as dumbed down dialogues, unnecessary westernizations, etc.

Also, the information I'm speaking of has been publicly available for more than a decade, and documented even by official sources analyzing the behind the scenes of the localization process outside of Japan.

It's no mystery that they infantilized the editing of the Western version to appeal more to little kids with short attention span than to a general audience, it's one of the most talked about trivias about the infamous "jelly-filled doughnut" localization from 4kids (as if the name didn't tell us enough already) that still plagues The Pokemon Company's very own.
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